OpenPsa and releases

Henri Bergius

OpenPsa and releases
Tue October 14 2008 07:01:33 UTC
Hi, all

It is amazing to watch the amount of activity in OpenPsa components.
Really the open source model at work :-)

I was wondering, now that we're settling down to releasing also the .x
releases of Midgard, MidCOM and components in a synchronized fashion
(expect 8.09.2 late next week!), should OpenPsa join the cycle at some
point?

This is mostly up to when Andreas thinks the refactored code is
production-ready, but it also involves a task for Piotras:

* Datagard, when creating vhosts, should be able to create hosts from
given template and given structure file

The idea there is that you could easily create a new OpenPsa
installation with datagard. This would mean:

* New SG (or existing one)
* New host, using substyle of template_openpsa2
* Topic tree that has all the OpenPsa topics in place, created via a
structure file

When would this be feasible?

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Piotr Pokora

Re: [midgard-dev] OpenPsa and releases
Tue October 14 2008 08:52:29 UTC
Henri Bergius writes:
> Hi, all

Hi!

> This is mostly up to when Andreas thinks the refactored code is
> production-ready, but it also involves a task for Piotras:
>
> * Datagard, when creating vhosts, should be able to create hosts from
> given template and given structure file

Can't we just use Sitewizard for this?

If this must be done with DG help, I would propose to add structures
creation as the last DG option.
The more options it has the more bugs we will have in a future.

Piotras
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Henri Bergius

Re: [midgard-dev] OpenPsa and releases
Tue October 14 2008 09:53:47 UTC
Hi,

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Piotr Pokora <piotrek.pokora@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can't we just use Sitewizard for this?
>
> If this must be done with DG help, I would propose to add structures
> creation as the last DG option.
> The more options it has the more bugs we will have in a future.

The point is, we need to have both web and CLI tools for doing this.

And anyway, I think it would be very cool if Midgard on install would ask:

What kind of site do you want to create?
1. Plain Midgard site
2. Blog
3. OpenPsa
4. etc

and then set up the structure and choose the default template accordingly.

> Piotras

/Henri

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Piotr Pokora

Re: [midgard-dev] OpenPsa and releases
Tue October 14 2008 10:01:36 UTC
Henri Bergius writes:
> Hi,

Hi!

>> If this must be done with DG help, I would propose to add structures
>> creation as the last DG option.
>> The more options it has the more bugs we will have in a future.
>
> The point is, we need to have both web and CLI tools for doing this.

I think this should be doable *easy*.
I just would like to limit DG options. And basically add structure
creators as last one.
Though.... it would be associated with vhost setup.

Can you add new task at trac?

Piotras
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Henri Bergius

Re: [midgard-dev] OpenPsa and releases
Tue October 14 2008 10:27:39 UTC
Hi,

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Piotr Pokora <piotrek.pokora@gmail.com> wrote:
> Though.... it would be associated with vhost setup.
>
> Can you add new task at trac?

http://trac.midgard-project.org/ticket/368

> Piotras

/Bergie

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Andreas Flack

Re: [midgard-dev] OpenPsa and releases
Wed October 15 2008 10:21:11 UTC
Henri Bergius schrieb:
> Hi, all
>
> It is amazing to watch the amount of activity in OpenPsa components.
> Really the open source model at work :-)
>
> I was wondering, now that we're settling down to releasing also the .x
> releases of Midgard, MidCOM and components in a synchronized fashion
> (expect 8.09.2 late next week!), should OpenPsa join the cycle at some
> point?
>
> This is mostly up to when Andreas thinks the refactored code is
> production-ready,

I think most of the autoloader-related refactorings should be done by
now (at least for the components I'm actually using, directmarketing and
some others still look pretty wild). There is still a lot of DM1 usage,
but I guess it's gonna stay like that for a while. There are a couple of
minor issues (I'm going to document them at trac later), but most of
them were present in the .0 release and in 2.8 as well, so I think right
now it's about as production-ready as the earlier releases were.

I will continue to make small fixes, but for the time being, I don't
have any major surgery planned due to time constraints, so things should
be stabilizing. I would love to make it a bit faster, but at least as
far as component loads are concerned, the ball is in midcom's court
(f.x. #359)

Bye,

Andreas

> but it also involves a task for Piotras:
>
> * Datagard, when creating vhosts, should be able to create hosts from
> given template and given structure file
>
> The idea there is that you could easily create a new OpenPsa
> installation with datagard. This would mean:
>
> * New SG (or existing one)
> * New host, using substyle of template_openpsa2
> * Topic tree that has all the OpenPsa topics in place, created via a
> structure file
>
> When would this be feasible?
>

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Henri Bergius

Re: [midgard-dev] OpenPsa and releases
Thu October 16 2008 14:07:34 UTC
Hi,

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Andreas Flack
<flack@contentcontrol-berlin.de> wrote:
> I think most of the autoloader-related refactorings should be done by
> now (at least for the components I'm actually using, directmarketing and
> some others still look pretty wild).

I will do some optimizations and profiling with o.o.products next week
from Istanbul.

No idea when and what stuff will be happening with directmarketing, as
that is more Rambo's turf.

> There is still a lot of DM1 usage,
> but I guess it's gonna stay like that for a while.

Yep, it is a quite big codebase. The day when we can close
http://trac.midgard-project.org/ticket/70 for real will be a happy
one.

Regarding DM1, I think right now the biggest need is for people to
convert old DM1 config schemas to DM2 format so a lot of components
can stop requiring DM1.

> There are a couple of
> minor issues (I'm going to document them at trac later), but most of
> them were present in the .0 release and in 2.8 as well, so I think right
> now it's about as production-ready as the earlier releases were.

I'll try to click around a bit too.

> I will continue to make small fixes, but for the time being, I don't
> have any major surgery planned due to time constraints, so things should
> be stabilizing. I would love to make it a bit faster, but at least as
> far as component loads are concerned, the ball is in midcom's court
> (f.x. #359)

In addition to things like NAP performance, I believe OpenPsa
components would benefit hugely from collector usage.

For .2 we also need to make the OpenPsa structure file BTW.

> Andreas

/Bergie

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