Next Midgard developer meeting in October/November
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Re: [midgard-dev] Next Midgard developer meeting in October/November
Sat June 21 2008 11:02:19 UTCHenri Bergius wrote:
> The next Midgard developer meeting should be help in Linköping on
> either Fri October 31st - Sun November 2nd OR Thu November 6th - Sun
> November 9th.
Both should be fine for me.
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Next Midgard developer meeting in October/November
Wed August 06 2008 17:54:34 UTCHi, all!
It seems my proposal for release synchronicity has passed. This means
we have a schedule now:
* Midgard Ragnaroek (1.9) stable in September
* Developer meeting to discuss Ragnaroek+1 in October/November
For the first one, more testing of 1.9 and especially the installer
would be needed. I'm sure either Piotras or Tero can post good
guidelines on how to help them.
The other thing is the developer meeting, which needs a venue.
Originally Alessio proposed Rome, but little has been heard of that.
Schedule also needs to be decided.
Here are some ideas:
* Rome in mid-October (cons: cost of travel as most developers are in
north Europe)
* FSCONS (http://fscons.org/ Oct 24-26 in Gothenburg) will have a
Midgard workshop. Maybe the developer meeting could be held in
connection to that?
* Helsinki/Otaniemi in November (pros: many Midgardians are based in
Finland, cheap travel for Alexander)
* Linköping in November (pros: great food, cons: hangover for the
Finland-based developers because of the ferry trip)
Agenda, as usual is discussion, hacking and beer. However this time we
will be completely focused on writing down a fixed feature set for
Ragnaroek+1 (which probably will be based on current Midgard 2 and
MidCOM 3).
Any comments?
/Henri
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Re: [midgard-dev] Next Midgard developer meeting in October/November
Fri August 08 2008 08:21:33 UTCOn 6.8.2008, at 20.54, Henri Bergius wrote:
>
> The other thing is the developer meeting, which needs a venue.
> Originally Alessio proposed Rome, but little has been heard of that.
> Schedule also needs to be decided.
>
> Here are some ideas:
>
> * Rome in mid-October (cons: cost of travel as most developers are in
> north Europe)
> * FSCONS (http://fscons.org/ Oct 24-26 in Gothenburg) will have a
> Midgard workshop. Maybe the developer meeting could be held in
> connection to that?
> * Helsinki/Otaniemi in November (pros: many Midgardians are based in
> Finland, cheap travel for Alexander)
> * Linköping in November (pros: great food, cons: hangover for the
> Finland-based developers because of the ferry trip)
Hi!
I would also like to add one place idea:
Åódź in mid-October.
Personally I would like to meet somewhere abroad (outside
scandinavia). Sooner we decide the place, cheaper for example the
flight tickets are.
But for example if we meet Otaniemi we could try arrange some HUT's
lecturer to talk us about quality assurance and stuff like that.
Should we decide if we meet at Finland of outside Scandinavia? :)
- Tero
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Re: [midgard-dev] Next Midgard developer meeting in October/November
Fri August 08 2008 08:23:19 UTCOn 8.8.2008, at 11.21, Tero Heikkinen wrote:
> Should we decide if we meet at Finland of outside Scandinavia? :)
Naturally I wanted to ask if we meet at Finland OR somewhere outside
Scandinavia?
- Tero
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Sharing midgard website via samba.
Fri August 08 2008 11:15:40 UTCHi all.
I've played a bit with MidCOM 3 and WebDAV. I came to an idea that in
intranet environments the really cool way to mount a website would be
via samba.
Pros:
- Works in every platform
- Does not require any specific software
- Robust and tested client and server end
Cons:
- Firewalls block more larger usage?
I talked in IRC shortly about this subject with Alexander and he did
not see any techical blockers.
So now we need a specification what is mapped and where. Then we can
try and start doing midgard <=> samba integration and start exposing
our Midgard servers as a fileshare with quite robust backend.
Is this a feature that we should pursue? In theory this could be it's
own midgard-smb-server?
Ideas?
- Tero
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Re: [midgard-dev] Sharing midgard website via samba.
Fri August 08 2008 11:20:55 UTCOn Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 15:15, Tero Heikkinen <tero.heikkinen@gubit.fi>wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I've played a bit with MidCOM 3 and WebDAV. I came to an idea that in
> intranet environments the really cool way to mount a website would be via
> samba.
>
> Pros:
> - Works in every platform
> - Does not require any specific software
> - Robust and tested client and server end
>
> Cons:
> - Firewalls block more larger usage?
> I talked in IRC shortly about this subject with Alexander and he did not
> see any techical blockers.
>
> So now we need a specification what is mapped and where. Then we can try
> and start doing midgard <=> samba integration and start exposing our Midgard
> servers as a fileshare with quite robust backend.
>
> Is this a feature that we should pursue? In theory this could be it's own
> midgard-smb-server?
I think we had discussion of this feature years before with Bergie but given
now we have better core it should be possible to create this thing easier.
>From Samba side it would be a VFS module (virtual file system) that exposes
needed objects as files. It is important to have proper mapping documented
before doing any development though as consequences of exposing something
non-filesystem in read-write mode are multiple and can't be easily
predicted if behaviour isn't defined from start.
So, map a draft and I'll comment what semantics are actually achieavable.
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Re: [midgard-dev] Sharing midgard website via samba.
Fri August 08 2008 11:24:29 UTCHi,
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Tero Heikkinen <tero.heikkinen@gubit.fi> wrote:
> Pros:
> - Works in every platform
> - Does not require any specific software
> - Robust and tested client and server end
- Much *much* faster than PHP-based WebDAV server
- Can be done on C level
> Cons:
> - Firewalls block more larger usage?
- Components cannot plug their own data mappings (outside MgdSchema),
like they can with PHP-based WebDAV
So, the big question is how MgdSchema data would be mapped to Samba
share. Easy would be tree based on:
* mgdschema type
* object names
and then containing objects named as objectname.xml or GUID.xml,
containing Midgard serialized XML format.
But this is not very friendly to end users. Maybe we need a nicer
mapping. That is why WebDAV works on PHP level, so component devs can
specify how their data should work on WebDAV level, if at all.
> - Tero
/Bergie
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Re: [midgard-dev] Sharing midgard website via samba.
Fri August 08 2008 11:28:48 UTCOn 8.8.2008, at 14.24, Henri Bergius wrote:
> So, the big question is how MgdSchema data would be mapped to Samba
> share. Easy would be tree based on:
>
> * mgdschema type
> * object names
>
> and then containing objects named as objectname.xml or GUID.xml,
> containing Midgard serialized XML format.
In theory could this approach enable us to do drag&drop replication?
Another approach would be that tree structure is exposed and it could
be configuration option to only show attachments.
That would enable us to make true filestorage for example intranet
appliances.
- Tero
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Re: [midgard-dev] Sharing midgard website via samba.
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Henri Bergius wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Tero Heikkinen <tero.heikkinen@gubit.fi> wrote:
>> Pros:
>> - Works in every platform
>> - Does not require any specific software
>> - Robust and tested client and server end
>
> - Much *much* faster than PHP-based WebDAV server
> - Can be done on C level
>
>> Cons:
>> - Firewalls block more larger usage?
>
> - Components cannot plug their own data mappings (outside MgdSchema),
> like they can with PHP-based WebDAV
Hmm, a middleway is to look at libferris[1] or FUSE. I think that may be
the way to go.
1. http://www.libferris.com/
Regards,
Tarjei
>
> So, the big question is how MgdSchema data would be mapped to Samba
> share. Easy would be tree based on:
>
> * mgdschema type
> * object names
>
> and then containing objects named as objectname.xml or GUID.xml,
> containing Midgard serialized XML format.
>
> But this is not very friendly to end users. Maybe we need a nicer
> mapping. That is why WebDAV works on PHP level, so component devs can
> specify how their data should work on WebDAV level, if at all.
>
>> - Tero
>
> /Bergie
>
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Re: [midgard-dev] Next Midgard developer meeting in October/November
Mon August 11 2008 09:07:40 UTCTero Heikkinen writes:
Hi!
>> * Rome in mid-October (cons: cost of travel as most developers are in
>> north Europe)
>> * FSCONS (http://fscons.org/ Oct 24-26 in Gothenburg) will have a
>> Midgard workshop. Maybe the developer meeting could be held in
>> connection to that?
What's the difference between travelling to Gothenburg and to Linkoping?
In both cases ferry must be taken into account.
>> * Helsinki/Otaniemi in November (pros: many Midgardians are based in
>> Finland, cheap travel for Alexander)
Sounds good.
>> * Linköping in November (pros: great food, cons: hangover for the
>> Finland-based developers because of the ferry trip)
This also sounds good for me. Cheap flights.
There are Ryanair flights from Åódź since July.
> I would also like to add one place idea:
> Åódź in mid-October.
Good choice for me :)
But there are more cons than pros:
* No direct and cheap flights for everybody. You must reserve two days
(both ways) for traveling from Helsinki.
* 3~4 days travelling by car
* I am not closely connected to any company so I would need organize
payed conference room
* City is a huge construction site for a year
Big pro for cheap beer, food and plenty of pubs ;)
Piotras
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